Short Note on Woman in East and West

I just discovered that Guido De Giorgio‘s essay Short Notes on Ascesis and Anti-Europe is missing a note. Although this section was present in the original Ur journal and even the first collections, it was excluded in all the editions after 1955. I have no idea why.
I have a collection of his essays in French collected in L’Instant et l’Eternité, which includes this note. It appeared just before the note about the sirocco in Tunisia. It extols the Traditional role of woman, particularly as it was, and still is, found in Islamic nations. Perhaps someone could hazard a guess why it was omitted.

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Woman is not a “thing”, but an animal, which is worse: she is becoming a marionette, since that is what man liked. The aversion for woman, with that sacred fixation of “value”, is a modern obsession that proves the weakness of European man as ascetic and as warrior. The two attitudes that man should adopt before woman are all there: pure attitudes not dulled by rancor or bitterness.

The Easterner sees things differently: he knows that woman is, opposite vulgar man, a being whose superiority is obvious in a domain where man is very poor: freedom—although without light and without consciousness like children—an absence of prejudices, miraculous clarity, and a smile that man calls “evil”; not affirmation, but shoulder shrugs in the face of what man builds in a bourgeois way; to be capable of everything, accessible to everything, the receptacle of everything, bottomless, symbol of the cosmic matrix, insatiable. The Easterner, who is man in an absolute sense that the Westerner does not know, owes that to the fact that he is also woman, a thing that the Westerner will never know how to be.

That is why the Easterner is exquisite with woman; he caresses her, kills her, and confines her. He gives her, in short, her true freedom, her real strength. Taken such as she is, and not as man constructs her, woman has a value and that is why divinity gave her that miraculous thing which is the dance: the rhythm of her hip, the song the crowns the rhythm, the smile of evasion that is found only in the Ascetic who swims and empties himself: that smile that in maithuna [sexual union in Tantra] man does not have and only woman has, and who, speaking aesthetically, is visible only on certain Khemer heads. And I never saw the outcrop of the inexpressible change so well in plastic fixation except on those Khmer stones, and in the sculpture of Ellora, absolute figuration of absolute conjunction and absolute integration – beatitude, ananda.

That is the smile that woman, the sleeping child, and the Ascetic have: man attains this smile only when the infusion is absolute, when the sea overflows – rivers and waters. The Easterners see things thus, they can only see things thus.

At the time of medieval Chivalry, there was in man — this is mathematically certain — a freedom that he no longer has, and in woman, a submission and a sweetness that she can find again today only if man becomes again simple man, that is to say, more woman. Let Man be woman, and we will see what woman will become: a very fertile, docile, subtle being. At present the European is a Male and woman a Female wearing the mask of the Male. But man truly man (the East) more feminine than woman, subtle, ophidian, makes woman become again what she is.

Practically: let woman no longer roam about, let her be locked up, let her be respected; let what Westerners call “corruption” be, not exterior and visible, but confined – therefore free, not traditional. Women in the house and men outside: and you will see the action of woman — Dionysian, dissolving, Maenad-like action — recover her ancient strength.

In regard to the woman, the Islamic system was complete, whole. In Europe, the situation is horrendous: man pushes woman into the street, removes her veil, prostitutes her in sunlight, places her where she cannot be, where it is against nature for her to be: in the schools, trains, cafes, in the pigsty. The Anglo-Saxon peoples wanted that: and among us, with the stupidity that pushes us toward the ordure, we are following the example of those coarse beasts.

One final observation: the dance is alone (Oriental dance: the belly dance): Europe destroyed that, too, and introduced the couple’s dance. If we follow the thread of this thought, we will go very far in the vision of Western perversion.

14 thoughts on “Short Note on Woman in East and West

  1. Marvellous insights by “the chaotic initiate”. He is right. This theme of feminine power in the perfect man runs as a golden thread throughout the Tao Te Ching as well.

    “Opening and closing the gates of heaven,
    Can you play the role of woman?”

  2. “At present the European is a Male and woman a Female wearing the mask of the Male. But man truly man (the East) more feminine than woman, subtle, ophidian, makes woman become again what she is.”

    It is implied in the text that femininity is not only powerful in its absolute contingency (“to be capable of everything, accessible to everything, the receptacle of everything, bottomless, symbol of the cosmic matrix, insatiable.”), but that, as a result of this, the feminine’s proper station is one that can only be attained as a counterpart to the true Masculine. If divorced from its principle, the Feminine devolves into negativity. Likewise, the man who is a “Female wearing the mask of the male,” results from a spiritual perversion that relinquishes one’s masculinity solely in place of a degenerate femininity, that is, a femininity divorced from the masculine, the moon that strains itself to reflect light without a sun. As a final thought, the, “Female wearing the mask of a male,” appears to encompass the indistinguishable mass of modern, post-gender individuals. Not only are men those with female/beast spirits, simply donning a male exterior, but feminism has, to quote Francis Parker Yockey, “Liberated women from the natural dignity of their sex and turned them into inferior men.”

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  4. I mean the eastern feminine men!

  5. August

    One thing that i see,is that what the modern western effeminate men and women have in comon,is one fragile ego,the restlessness and the eternal need.On the other hand the wastern feminine men have in comon with women,is that kind of folly,that irrationality that make both in peace and contentment with the simplicity!But off course the same process of degeneration that takes western men,also takes western women!

  6. paulo,

    They are opposites. The effeminate modern Westernised man (may as well say global man by now) is completely passive before the world and oblivious to his inner Self. He has not attained to his innate form and is enthralled.

    The true man is Virginal because he is become passive before his inner Self and closed to the world. The woman must see that she cannot violate him, then she must die, to be born again beside him, also Virgin. This is how she shall become again what she once was.

  7. Could someone delimit the difference between an effeminate modern western men from the true feminine men?

  8. I had read that same comment (I am pretty sure on this blog) by Evola but totally forgotten it. However, granted De Giorgio may not be as lucid as Evola but I think he is nevertheless Traditional and immensely interesting.

  9. I have read somewhere a comment by Evola in which he describes DeGiorgio as a “chaotic type of initiate”. I really wondered what he meant by that, but now, like you, I know 🙂 .

  10. I doubt it is due to translation (and let me thank you once more for all the precious translations you have made available). In my humble opinion the passages do not completely make sense.
    Take for example this paragraph: “The Easterner sees things differently: he knows that woman is, opposite vulgar man, a being whose superiority is obvious in a domain where man is very poor: freedom—although without light and without consciousness like children—an absence of prejudices, miraculous clarity, and a smile that man calls “evil”.
    What does De Giorgio really wants to convey? That woman is more liberated (in spiritual sense) and less prejudiced? Cologero, I am sure you have a better grasp of what De Giorgio wants to convey here. Maybe you can clarify and comment on these passages which will be very much appreciated.
    I really enjoyed your other translations of De Giorgio and I can only think that he himself decided that above note was not entirely coherent and he decided to omit from subsequent editions.
    What does he really mean when he say: “Let Man be woman, and we will see what woman will become: a very fertile, docile, subtle being.”?

  11. Saladin, is the incomprehension the fault of the translation? If any passages are unclear, I can take another try at them.

  12. while agreeing with De Giorgio’s tenants and his overall Weltanschauung, I understand why these paragraphs were omitted. They are totally confusing (at least to me).

  13. Avery, A friend in the publishing business emailed me this interesting tidbit last month:
    “Today it was reported that Fifty Shades of Grey has sold 70 million copies worldwide in English, Spanish, and German.”

    I doubt there are many men among those 70 million. Does that mean there is a secret fantasy life, perhaps a dim memory of her primordial state, among many women to be part of the Gorean lifestyle?

  14. Whether by accident or by dubious second thoughts, a very salient point about femininity was erased from Giorgio’s essay. Nice spot, Cologero.

    As for the content, I feel like I have come to a world called Gor. It’s an intriguing idea that women would actually gain power in the home and be better equipped to fight off modernity from there. There have even been women who have pointed this out in the past decade or so, but the exploration of the idea seems to have been quite shallow. I’ll believe in the revolt against the modern world when I see Christian women donning veils who aren’t already ultra-Catholic.

    The “final observation” is a meaty one. It has good company from history, which I’d like to highlight. Here is a thoughtful Protestant from my hometown, Increase Mather (Cotton’s dad), offering some thoughts about mixed dancing:

    It is granted, that Pyrrhical or Polemical Saltation: i.e. where men vault in their Armour, to shew their strength and activity, may be of use. Nor is the question, whether a sober and grave Dancing of Men with Men, or of Women with Women, be not allowable; we make no doubt of that, where it may be done without offence, in due season, and with moderation. The Prince of Philosophers has observed truly, that Dancing or Leaping, is a natural expression of joy: So that there is no more Sin in it, than in laughter, or any outward expression of inward Rejoycing.

    But our question is concerning Gynecandrical Dancing, or that which is commonly called Mixt or Promiscuous Dancing, viz. of Men and Women (be they elder or younger persons) together: Now this we affirm to be utterly unlawful, and that it cannot be tollerated in such a place as New-England, without great Sin.

    […] It is said of Miriam, The Woman went out after her with Dances, Exod. 15:20. But not that Men went out with them: Nor did David take a Woman by the hand to Dance with him before the Ark. In one Word, there is not so much as one Example in the whole Book of God concerning mixt dancing, except it be the Instance of that accursed and damned Harlot the Daughter of Herodias.

    In Increase’s era, the Prince of Philosophers was Plato. The title had not yet been usurped by Sp*noza.

    Can you imagine men dancing with men these days? The last time I saw that was Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

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